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Kwak 08-11-2020 05:43 PM

Back to School: COVID 19 edition
I know we talk about this elsewhere but this is something that we're all dealing with and it's changing on an almost weekly basis so I think it'd be a good discussion. I think it'd be something worthwhile to talk about in the general forum too so that lurkers can find some value and maybe even put in some input of their own.

I'll start...

My two sons are of different intellectual abilities, so they go to two different schools. My elder son is 16 year old, is intellectually disabled and has autism spectrum disorder. My younger son is 13, is not intellectually disabled but has ADHD and is also not as socially outgoing as I'd like but understand given the family dynamic; I'm not particularly social either because of our family dynamic either.

Both my sons' school (as well as daily living) experiences are vastly different from one another so we have TWO different plans to consider...

(to be continued)

Captain Tuttle 08-11-2020 08:42 PM

So my daughter has some health issues this year, bad enough that we basically had her excused from school (she finished the year online, did as much work as she could and passed). She struggled with the online stuff.
My son did fine, he worked independently and got good grades

Now the school district. We have a pretty highly rated school district, one of the top in the State. They did their best in the Spring, it wasn't great but they tried. Throughout the Summer they've been pretty silent, but have responded to prodding from parents finally. It's going to be online for the first semester at least and then they'll revaluate.

Since my son did well online we kept him in the school district. We signed my daughter up with a Cyber Charter School (recommended by a good friend who has a rather large tutoring business). We figured that this Cyber Charter has multiple years experience doing this online stuff so at least they have a stable system unlike the District which was just cobbled together. She'll also be going to our friend's tutoring thing, she's done it for a couple of years already.

If things go back to normal next year we'll put her back in the District.

Kwak 08-12-2020 07:00 PM

Earlier this summer after polling parents our school district was planning on going back to school full time 5 days out of the week. 80% of parents acquiesced so the school district also gave parents the option of keeping their kids home and doing full virtual schooling if they chose. They put out a 40 page health and safety document. They were planning on putting markers on the hallway floors, spacing desks 6 feet apart and having lunch in students' home rooms. Lockers would have been off limits. Admission and release would be staggered by bus number.

It seemed questionable. After enduring virtual instruction with a dumbed down grading curve that eventually became a pass/fail in many subjects based on participation alone we wondered if this would impact our kids down the road. Participation from the students and their parents was not unanimous either. My son had a group project that sort of fizzled out because one of his classmates went off the grid. We got many emails from teachers reminding the kids to submit their assignments each Thursday, but again there was not 100% compliance so they altered the grading curve so that 50% was passing.

Then last week - after the number of reported cases began to skyrocket again into the triple digits for the county, including an increase of teenagers testing positive - the school board decided to alter the plan to just 2 days a week with the student body split so that there would be 50% capacity in the school buildings. It seemed prudent.

A couple of days later the governor suggested that high school sports should be furlowed until the spring - and apparently the school board got back to work. As of today there will be full virtual schooling for the first four weeks of the school year, switching to a hybrid in-person/virtual model as was outlined last week. The first day of school was also pushed back from August 26th to September 1st.

I'm curious to see what comes down the pike next week.

Meanwhile, my elder son is enrolled in a different (auxiliary) school operated by the county and caters toward special needs kids who are higher risk. They have their own plan but we also have an IEP meeting scheduled for Friday. I wouldn't be surprised if they go partially virtual, but we'll have to wait and see.

irie feeling 08-13-2020 12:56 PM

Post too long... had to log back in...Post gone...All for the better I reckon.

irie feeling 08-13-2020 12:59 PM

The private school found the $$$. Parents dug deeper into their pockets and made donations to meet the goal.

Kwak 08-15-2020 05:05 PM

OK. The mainstream public schools pushed back the starting day to Sept. 1 and will be full virtual for the first month. They're taking a "wait and see" approach - probably because they know they can't do crowd control in narrow hallways.

Meanwhile, the county run auxiliary school my 16yo with autism goes to will be open 5 days a week starting August 31st. It's a smaller school with smaller class sizes, though all the students are high risk and have waivers against wearing masks. Staff will be wearing face shields, common areas will be used minimally; classes/lunch will be in the homerooms, etc. At the IEP we chose to have him ride to school in a private vehicle, arrive after everyone else and be dismissed an hour early. In the case of my son's specific type of low functioning autism, "social distancing" is par for the course.

GBDad 08-16-2020 01:54 PM

The 4 largest school districts in the state, including ours, has opted for a 100% virtual start to the year. Many of the suburbs in our area are going to try a blended model (split students into 2 groups, 2 days in school, 2 days virtual, Friday all virtual), or going in person all 5 days. Seems unlikely that any of the in person schooling is going to last very long. We're happy with their decision to go virtual. The spring didn't go great, but it was hastily thrown together and no one knew at the beginning how long it would last. They said that the virtual model will be much more interactive this time around. As in, "Log on at 8:30 for teacher instruction.....You now have an hour to complete this assignment....log back on at 10:00 to go over it."

We're also going to set up each of our kids with their own learning area, with a desk and computer so that when they are in that spot, they are "at school." Daughter is going into 3rd grade so I think she'll do well. Our son was going to start kindergarten, which so much of is socialization, learning how to go to school, etc., so we'll see how that goes.

I believe they are taking it a quarter at a time so they'll re-evaluate at 9 weeks to determine if they are going to start transitioning to in person classes. If they decide to stay virtual, they'll reassess in another 9 weeks. Our district has also cancelled all fall sports, "with hopes to play those sports in the spring."

We're just happy to now know what is going on. We were into August and still had no clue. State law is that you can't start school before Labor Day (a tourism issue - need their part time student workers to work the busy weekend) but this year with many of the tourist destinations closed or limited they are starting on September 1.

irie feeling 08-16-2020 11:39 PM

Welcome to homeschooling fellars!

Kwak 08-17-2020 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by irie feeling (Post 303127)
Welcome to homeschooling fellars!

Lol. I think the teacher’s union will take exception to this being a permanent thing. We’re going to end up with some sort of hybrid thing - hopefully on a more permanent basis.

Regardless, in a month teachers are going to have their cake and eat it too by being able to work 4 days a week while parents do the home school thing 3 days out of the week. In our district kids will be doing partial virtual with 2 days in school and the student body split in half so that the buildings are in use and the faculty gets paid.

As for what were supposed to do as parents, I’m trying to get a jump on things by starting the late summer wind down. No more late nights here. I need to call a family meeting though. We need to all be on board. My wife has had run of the house all summer for work and we’ve had to keep quiet. We need to get that balance back so that we don’t all burn out.

GBDad 08-20-2020 02:01 PM

Add North Carolina, Notre Dame, and Michigan State to the growing list of universities/colleges that have said, "Nope! These kids can't handle it or be trusted to do the right thing. Shut her down."

Iowa State University.....

A couple of school districts in our area rethought their back to school plans and are now starting entirely online.

Kwak 08-21-2020 02:13 PM

Yeah, I don’t know how they think they can accomplish anything by locking kids in their dorm rooms if classes are virtual but they still get the “college experience?” Do the schools make that much money off the board plans?

Don-Dad 08-21-2020 03:38 PM

My guess is room and board is pretty profitable. Especially board, little staff needed since they use RA's and grad students with low salaries (or free roomin exchange for being an RA) to run those places, shove 2 kids to a room and feed them food bought in bulk. Waaayyy back in my college days, moving off campus saved me around $1500 a semester. I had full financial aid so that money went right into my pocket, was much easier to drink that year, lol!

I was lucky, 4.5 years of college cost me just $3600 in loans, was about the only benefit of being dirt poor. I bet it's hard to get that deal today, even if you are poor.

Kwak 08-21-2020 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by Don-Dad (Post 303165)
My guess is room and board is pretty profitable. Especially board, little staff needed since they use RA's and grad students with low salaries (or free roomin exchange for being an RA) to run those places, shove 2 kids to a room and feed them food bought in bulk. Waaayyy back in my college days, moving off campus saved me around $1500 a semester. I had full financial aid so that money went right into my pocket, was much easier to drink that year, lol!

I was lucky, 4.5 years of college cost me just $3600 in loans, was about the only benefit of being dirt poor. I bet it's hard to get that deal today, even if you are poor.

Yup. Edjumukashun is Big Business too. So big that it runs its own network of hospitals here AND is the major medical insurance provider in the region - yet is still considered to be a nonprofit.

My college degree was similarly cheap. Back in the day a semester cost $2K in tuition. The board plan was slightly more. I got off easy; between grants and the GI Bill I didn’t have to take out much in loans at all. I feel bad for the current generation; they’re getting bent over the barrel and I don’t thinks it’s all that worth it because (at least from my experience) school really didn’t prepare me for interviewing or running my own business.

Mark B. 08-22-2020 01:10 PM

My son just went back to VA this weekend for school. My daughter is going local but renting with her cousin off campus. Both of them being off campus means I will give them money for food. Last semester after they kicked the kicked the kids out I did get a prorated refund on the boys room but lost the remainder of his meal money. 90% of their classes are remote.

GBDad 08-24-2020 03:26 PM

School set to start tomorrow at a suburban Des Moines middle school and 8 teachers tested positive. My wife was kind of bummed last week when she had a number of patients and even co-workers all excited about going back to school. Told her don't worry, it won't last long. And that excitement will fade pretty quick with the first reported case being spread in the schools. By mid-September all schools will once again be closed and it'll be damage control mode.

irie feeling 08-26-2020 02:07 PM

Population 67.8 million
And nobody died.


Kwak 08-26-2020 02:13 PM

Here’s an interesting article. Apparently a local university required students to sign an acknowledgement of risk document in order to return to school. At PITT, nine fraternities and sororities are facing sanctions for flouting the university’s social distancing policies.

GBDad 08-26-2020 02:43 PM

From a conversation my wife had with someone from the county health department....given current activity of the virus they expect that in person classes will last about 2 months. Spread among students is one thing, but when the staff starts dropping like flies with a two week quarantine each when they test positive, there simply won't be enough staff for schools to function.

irie feeling 08-26-2020 05:01 PM

1 week before most schools reopen???
Not saying I know why, or the outcome, cuz I don’t.

Kwak 08-26-2020 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by GBDad (Post 303203)
From a conversation my wife had with someone from the county health department....given current activity of the virus they expect that in person classes will last about 2 months. Spread among students is one thing, but when the staff starts dropping like flies with a two week quarantine each when they test positive, there simply won't be enough staff for schools to function.

Exactly. My FIL was a principal for 35 years and he said pretty much “good luck getting substitute teachers.”

irie feeling 08-30-2020 02:52 PM

Y’all ready???

Main teacher says, No parental involvement. Pretend your child went to the brick and mortar and you are elsewhere. You will be needed for technical support only.
Or something like that.
Big change for us as you know.
We tried 2 live cybers in the last 5 years and in each case when Pippa was left alone, she couldn’t handle the pressure. I got in trouble for “not helping.”

Last year if she bombed the worksheets, I would teach the lesson myself, next day, rather than “watch a video”, and do the spare worksheets together until I was certain she had a grasp on the lesson.

We’ll see how this goes, how much crying and whining, until I get pulled in to act.

Kwak 08-30-2020 07:09 PM

We’re not ready. Even though the first month is full virtual our 13yo has to punch the clock at 7:25 every morning and has to attend live streams two days a week. All I really have to do is wake him up. I’m also going to be taking all his toys off him and disabling their WiFi. My gripe is that he’s 13 years old and gives attitude all the time.

Ding ding. School is in session.

As for your daughter, the teacher is right - though I think they’re getting off easy by putting all the onus on you to do the enforcement without doing any sort of live instruction or virtual proctoring. If they want all the Union perks then they should punch the clock too. As for the rest, think of it as helping her with her homework. The blame shouldn’t be on your for her not grasping the information. It’s your job to encourage her to try harder. If that takes sitting down and explaining the material to her then that’s your job too.

The “blame” OTOH should NOT be. I know she’s still a kid but the whole point of doing homework and taking tests is to show that she’s doing her job.

irie feeling 08-31-2020 12:14 PM

8 am It’s show time!!!

I wonder how well I prepared her doing homeschool for 4 yrs. we did use grade appropriate materials from a respected learning academy. We had to “test In” for assement.
We shall see.

Just a thought.
Remember long ago when I once said if you can get a college degree online and never step foot in the college, how long will it be until everybody does K-12 online? No more in person school.
Homeschoolers do. In PA, there are 12 state approved online academies K-12.
Could we be looking at the future? Is this a test run?

irie feeling 08-31-2020 12:29 PM

20 minutes in and they were still trying to figure how to pull a class together for a zoom meeting. Not sure what the plan is. Live teaching with the kids watching? and interacting.??
I would run a recorded lesson and introduce an assignment. Fill an hour and move on to next “class.” Turn in assignments at end of day on scanner via e-mail. Have live teacher chat and live class chat once a week.
I’ve done this before, btw.
Guessing they haven’t.

Kwak 08-31-2020 12:52 PM

The teachers' unions would never let that fly. They're too powerful a lobby. They sneeze and we all catch cold.

What I hope happens is a more hybrid model where parents and teachers share responsibilities somehow and are able to collaborate while also holding the kids accountable.

Having had two kids with IEPs, I think it's a better model than the annual parent/teacher conference structure as it is more collaborative. We've had some success over the years by having a 1 hour meeting every month to track "data" and alter focus on the fly.

I see "core" classes (like math, science, grammar, reading and ) being owned by the teachers whereas "electives" (like home economics, physical education and health) and "extracurricular" stuff (like clubs and sports) being owned by the teachers (but in some cases overseen by a coach.) If teachers want their kids in a sport, I think that they should be involved with their nutrition and recuperation and if they want to be involved in events then they get to handle support roles in the stadium by being ushers, running the concessions, etc. - stuff that was strictly on a volunteer basis.

I think the "soft" subjects (like art and literature studies) being shared by the two with maybe 1-2 "field trips" to attend events such as performances, maybe artist/author meetups. I also feel like school and art supplies need to be the parents' perview, with a weekly/monthly trip to the appropriate stores with itemized needs being provided by the teachers on the syllabus. Music and band programs already have a model like this in place, why not art - or even yearbook or glee club?

BTW, I seriously feel like "home economics" and "shop" classes need to be done in the home and community and involve more than how to use a microwave and change a lightbulb. I think that kids need to learn how to do dishes; help with laundry; run the vacuum or sweep/mop the floors; shop for clothes and groceries; etc. out in the "real world." For "shop" I think that parents and local hardware stores should collaborate by holding workshops. HD and Lowe's have things like this on weekends where they cover home improvement classes ranging from woodworking basics to laying floor tile. I think that local farms and nurseries could help out by having events. A neighboring municipality even has a plot of land where residents can grow their own vegetables if they are unable to do so on their own property.

BTW, I envision all of this on the K-8 level with vocational/technical schools at the secondary level taking it to an apprenticeship level so that they are prepared to enter the work force upon graduation. If the parents are contractors, electricians, plumbers, etc. then their kids should get extra credit.

I know it all seems to place a heavy load on the parents, but it has to. IMO dual income families with kids have a misplaced priority on family income and work interferes with familial relationships. How workplaces are going to reduce their stranglehold on American families is a whole different topic but they could start by paying more serious attention to "bring your kid to work day" and expanding child care beyond merely having a day care for preschoolers and maybe synchronize their community outreach to target youth groups and venues such as scouting, museums, libraries, etc. I know that some of you have teenagers who are actually earning and I think this is a good way of balancing after school activities with extra academic credits.

What do you guys think?

Kwak 08-31-2020 01:42 PM

Tomorrow is the first day of school for our middle schooler. Yesterday we "attended" a virtual parent/student orientation where they outlined how they intend to start with a full virtual model that will move to a hybrid model in about 5 weeks. It's going to vastly different than what we had in the spring with an actual time-based schedule that needs to be followed and documented by the students.

Firstly, they've divided the student body into two groups by last name. Each half will alternate between "synchronus" (teacher-led real time instruction via teleconferencing) one day and "asynchronus" (online assignments that are not necessarily schedule based but need to be completed that day.) Attendance is done by adding a 10 minute "Homeroom" time period to the first period where students have to sign in by 7:35AM on EACH day. If they don't, they're marked as "absent." Kids don't get to sleep in anymore.

There are still "teams" but at this stage it's a formality; it plays a bigger role with regards to crowd control in the school facilities. At this point, they intend to shift to a "hybrid" schedule where the "synchronus" days shift from virtual to actual school attendance. That means that Mondays and Wednesdays he goes to school.

We have yet to decide if that means we will drive him or he rides the bus. I'm leaning toward driving him. Busing has always been the weak link with regards to school services and currently they are doing a "staggered" admission/dismissal model that they are trying to portray as being well thought-out it seems like a logistical nightmare. Without getting into details, they use the nearby high school ball fields as the bus staging area and the kids have to walk several hundred yards along a winding path that is not line of sight with the entrance and Joey has complained about it when things were "normal." Now they're talking of "staggering" by bus and I think they're biting off more than they can chew.

There's a drop off area for parents and I need to find out what the procedure is given this COVID nightmare. Being that I am still SAH I am available to drive him in. In fact, after years of butting heads with the transportation director over Justin I'd prefer it. I want to see for myself if it's "situation: FUBAR" and if it is I will talk with my wife about just driving him in. If I see that the faculty is doing their usual piss poor job of crowd management then we are going to have a family chat about us exercising the option to keep him full virtual.

Regardless, with this our routine has to change. Starting tomorrow his WiFi is going to be capped from 10PM to 2:30PM. I'm putting the Echo in his room and it's going to be his alarm clock and intercom. In fact, I'm thinking that we are ALL going to have to be following a strict bedtime schedule if we're all expected to be "up and at 'em" by 7am every day.

irie feeling 08-31-2020 06:52 PM

The teacher had a dentist appt and gave the kids a 3 hr lunch, mustering them back at 2:45, for 15 minutes before virtual school lets out at 3. I asked Pippa what she did, any thing learning related. She said they played games.

Tomorrow the boss has court. I gotta be nearby.

GBDad 08-31-2020 08:03 PM

We start tomorrow with a similar model to what Kwak described. Attendance taken every day at 8:30 during "community circle" time. They will have 15-20 minute or so of instruction from the teacher for each subject, and then an assignment to complete and turn in. They have a couple of those and then break and hour for lunch. Another lesson in the afternoon along with "specials" - P.E., music, art, etc.

I had the question of "What level of parent involvement is expected," and it was answered on the morning news. The superintendent was asked that very question and he said that younger students will need more guidance but parents should treat it as though they are sending their kids to school. As long as it's interactive enough I think our 3rd grader can handle that. Will be interesting to see how kindergarten goes.

Kwak 09-02-2020 12:49 PM

Our school district is using a service called Schoology. My involvement has been minimal, but then again I have a middle schooler in AP math (Geometry) so I shouldn't have to do more than help him with time management. Everything is online and our school district issued him a Chromebook so apart from our taxes we haven't had to invest much more than buying a desk, having high speed internet with WiFi and printer ink.

Regarding his day to day, he's required to log in at 7:25 M-F and fill in his attendance and then two days a week sit through push meetings on WebEx for all 9 periods from 7:25 to 2:17 - including a lunch break at the ridiculously early time of 10:35.

Apart from that, his day is much like my wife's: screen sharing and wearing headphones. TBH though 3 days out of the week he doesn't have to keep a rigid schedule and do the work at his leisure, but we're going opting to have him follow a similar time schedule so that he can get it out of the way early.

Day 1 had a couple of hiccups of him being "late" for 3rd period - though in his defense they only give him a 3 minute break between to use the bathroom and the teacher locked the sign in one minute after the class started.

Speaking of bathroom breaks, my wife has instructed me not to tie up our shared bathroom during those between class times.

irie feeling 09-02-2020 01:30 PM

All Online. Reevaluate in December. M-Th 8-3. Lots of bouncing between live and private assignments, with be back @____ time. Friday arts day half day. Spanish, art, P.E. (Funny it’s from home).
I was soooo looking forward to sending her off to school finally being free.

GBDad 09-02-2020 02:35 PM

Day 2 is underway! Day 1 as to be expected. Some technical problems. Didn't take me long to ditch the school issued Chromebooks and set the kids up on our home equipment. I switched to Chrome 10 years ago when the school I was teaching at went that direction. Some parents were logging off in frustration. Emails were flying, "we're done!", "we're enrolling in private school," etc. I'm certified to teach online and did so exclusively for 3 years after our first was born so I knew what was going to happen in the early going. Also have taken numerous online classes for grad school and recertification so online education is nothing new to me and it can be as effective or more so than being in the classroom with all the distractions and other things that stop kids from learning. I do believe kids need to be in school for the social aspect, but for now, since people can't put aside their own personal agendas for even a few weeks to stop this virus from spreading (which at this point it's too far spread to stop it) I'm glad the kids are at home. Both the superintendent and principal sent "stick with it" emails last night. So far this morning it has been seamless. I do feel for the families where both parents work, kids in day care, those struggling with outdated school district equipment, and such. But for now, this works for us.

Kwak 09-02-2020 02:57 PM

That's an interesting perspective. Chrome = Google = $$$ which is why schools have them. Richer districts get Macbooks because before Apple's stock price blew up that was their bread and butter - and they've never adjusted their pricing model. Why would a pusher cut the cost of crack if even the parents of the kids on the playground are addicted to it?

Meanwhile, can somebody explain to me how they can do PE and Band virtually?

Kwak 09-02-2020 03:38 PM

Apparently there is a parent access function to Schoology. I wish I could access the school's instructions for parents but I can't because they put it on their Facebook page and didn't make it public access for non Facebook users.

I don't do Facebook. :squee:

Mark B. 09-03-2020 12:48 AM

James Madison University is kicking all off campus next Monday. Going all online for a month......or so. Kids moved in 10 days ago. My son is off campus so he can stay but we have friends who have a son who is a Freshman who has to leave this weekend. Fun times!

Kwak 09-03-2020 03:50 AM

They should never have let them move in IMO but kicking them out and sending them home is also irresponsible; they’d just be bringing it home with them.

GBDad 09-03-2020 08:49 PM

Third day down of virtual elementary school. Aside from the occasional slow loading time for some activities I think it's going extremely well. I didn't see my 3rd grader all day except for her lunch/recess break. Kindergartner needs to be watched and prodded to stay on task, but what do you expect from a barely 5 year old.

The one thing I don't want to happen is the back/forth of, "Okay....we're going in person. Oh, there's an outbreak? Back to virtual. Think it's okay now, back to school. Whoops! Another outbreak. Back home." One school in our region is doing that. Started last week. Shut it down. Plan on going back in person after Labor Day. I'm sure that's a good idea! Might want to give that one another couple weeks.

Kwak 09-08-2020 12:34 PM

This virtual schooling is still quirky. Joe couldn’t get his first period webinar to load. He neglected to tell me this until a half hour into the class. I wouldn’t know because he locks himself in his room and makes a big stink when I try to check on him. If he makes too much noise it upsets his mother, who in turn makes a lot of noise. If I don’t keep up on him though she also makes a lot of noise because it’s *my* job to ensure that he is doing his work.

I’m finding that the parental access is very convoluted. Last spring I was using an app that they provided a link for. It’s still active - which is how I was able to fire off an email to his first period teacher - but they expect me to log in to another website which essentially only provides read only access to things he should have already submitted.

Our school district tends to do everything last minute though so naturally they didn’t send out the parental access codes for this app and I’m expected to use my kid’s student email to log in, which means *knock knock.*

All this because they want us to be involved - but not TOO involved.

Have cake DNE eat it too.

GBDad 09-10-2020 05:43 PM

Things still going relatively well for our online schooling. University of Wisconsin-Madison going online only for 2 weeks. Doubt they'll open again this semester. Chancellor "ordered" undergrads to restrict their movements during the shutdown. Yeah right! A school in Oshkosh shut down because too many staff are on quarantine and there are no subs. I guess congrats on giving it a shot but was just a matter of time. Thought it would take a couple months, some schools didn't even make it a couple weeks.

Kwak 09-10-2020 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by GBDad (Post 303304)
Things still going relatively well for our online schooling. University of Wisconsin-Madison going online only for 2 weeks. Doubt they'll open again this semester. Chancellor "ordered" undergrads to restrict their movements during the shutdown. Yeah right! A school in Oshkosh shut down because too many staff are on quarantine and there are no subs. I guess congrats on giving it a shot but was just a matter of time. Thought it would take a couple months, some schools didn't even make it a couple weeks.

I expected as much. We got another survey sent to us about going back in October. I have a feeling that they're looking for an excuse to nix in person classes. I know a majority of our municipality will be screaming bloody murder.

irie feeling 09-11-2020 04:49 PM

Lost my post.
The ART teacher told the 10 yr olds the significance of 9/11. My kiddo asked me if I knew about 9/11. I asked who told you about it and what do you know?

All she knew was 2 planes flew in to the twin towers and lots of people died.
Problem with that is:
1.1000 planes fly over our house every day all day on their way to NYC. She’ll flip out every time she sees one.
2.She’ll never want to go the city ever again.
3.With Covid in the kids faces everyday and thinking their gonna die from it, do they need to know about planes deliberately crashing into buildings?
4.How long till she’s on her I Pad looking it up?
I explained to her The Who, what, why, how, and what we’ve done to prevent it from ever happening again.
I also explained to her that firemen are hero’s , and policemen are too.

I’m kinda bitter...

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